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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:50 pm 
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joeschmo wrote:
oh brother, what a wuss...

VL's mommy is back, everything is ok now. :lol:


Like you don't look up to her?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:28 pm 
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President Michel Temer of Brazil was the first to sign the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons at the United Nations on Wednesday. Credit Don Emmert/Agence France-Presse - Getty Images

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At U.N. General Assembly, Nations sign a treaty banning nuclear weapons.
By THE NEW YORK TIMES, SEPT. 20, 2017

Leaders and diplomats from dozens of countries signed a treaty at the United Nations on Wednesday that will outlaw nuclear weapons — a document that disarmament advocates described as a historic first. The Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons, as it is officially known, will enter into legal force 90 days after being ratified by 50 countries.

The treaty, finalized in July by negotiators representing 120 of the 193 United Nations members, offered a stark contrast to the threats of mutual nuclear annihilation raised in the bombastic exchanges between North Korea’s regime and the Trump administration in recent weeks.

“The treaty is an important step toward the universally held goal of a world free of nuclear weapons,” Secretary General António Guterres, who supported the negotiations, said at the ceremony held in the Trusteeship Council chamber. President Michel Temer of Brazil was the first to formally sign the treaty, as other leaders and diplomats in the chamber applauded.

The world’s nine nuclear-armed countries, including the United States and North Korea, declined to sign the treaty...
(full article) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/world/united-nations-general-assembly.html

Let us build a better world, together. Bravo to all excepting the beastly puppetry and psychotic shilling of the nuclear-fascistic military-industrial complex from its many fearsome heads and poison-tongued mouths.

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Humanity is unimpressed. Let us together accomplish what our parents' generation has failed to achieve and finally end this monstrosity along with the fascism that created it and the toxic white supremacy that unleashed it in anger and traumatized a world to madness. The atomic bomb was an attack upon God.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:15 pm 
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Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons
Parties and signatories
Country              signed                        ratified
Algeria 20 September 2017
Austria 20 September 2017
Bangladesh 20 September 2017
Brazil 20 September 2017
Cape Verde 20 September 2017
C. African Repub. 20 September 2017
Chile 20 September 2017
Comoros 20 September 2017
Congo, DR 20 September 2017
Congo, Republic 20 September 2017
Costa Rica 20 September 2017
Cote d'Ivoire 20 September 2017
Cuba 20 September 2017
Ecuador 20 September 2017
El Salvador 20 September 2017
Fiji 20 September 2017
Gambia, The 20 September 2017
Ghana 20 September 2017
Guatemala 20 September 2017
Guyana 20 September 2017 20 September 2017
Honduras 20 September 2017
Indonesia 20 September 2017
Ireland 20 September 2017
Kiribati 20 September 2017
Laos 21 September 2017
Libya 20 September 2017
Liechtenstein 20 September 2017
Madagascar 20 September 2017
Malawi 20 September 2017
Malaysia 20 September 2017
Mexico 20 September 2017
Nepal 20 September 2017
New Zealand 20 September 2017
Nicaragua 22 September 2017
Nigeria 20 September 2017
Palau 20 September 2017
Palestine 20 September 2017
Panama 20 September 2017
Paraguay 20 September 2017
Peru 20 September 2017
Philippines 20 September 2017
Samoa 20 September 2017
San Marino 20 September 2017
Sao Tome&Prin. 20 September 2017
South Africa 20 September 2017
Thailand 20 September 2017 20 September 2017
Togo 20 September 2017
Tuvalu 20 September 2017
Uruguay 20 September 2017
Vanuatu 20 September 2017
Vatican City 20 September 2017 20 September 2017
Venezuela 20 September 2017
Vietnam 22 September 2017
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Prohibition_of_Nuclear_Weapons#Parties_and_signatories)

Nuclear weapons are profoundly immoral and cannot be justified, especially now. Governments that believe nuclear weapon arsenals are a good idea are also profoundly immoral and cannot be justified.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:32 pm 
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Lol, you are quite the dreamer to think that nations will give up their atomics. Only one nation ever has, South Africa, and they only dismantled them to prevent a post apartheid regime from possesing them.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:10 pm 
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Lol, you are quite the dreamer to think that nations will give up their atomics. Only one nation ever has, South Africa, and they only dismantled them to prevent a post apartheid regime from possesing them.

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The Libyan disarmament issue was peacefully resolved on December 2003 when Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi agreed to eliminate his country's weapons of mass destruction program, including a decades-old nuclear weapons program...

However, after the end of the Cold War in 1991, Gaddafi sought to resolve its nuclear crises with the United States aiming to uplift the sanctions against Libya, finally agreeing to authorize rolling back Libya's weapons of mass destruction program on December 2003.

During the 2011 NATO intervention in Libya, Gaddafi tried using Libya's voluntary disarmament to convince NATO to cease its Libya operations. At the same time, Gaddafi's son Saif and others in the Libyan government expressed their regret about Libya's previous disarmament. It was speculated in the media ... that NATO's 2011 intervention in Libya (which led to Gaddafi's overthrow and killing ...) would make Iran, North Korea, and possibly other countries more reluctant to give up their nuclear programs and/or nuclear weapons due to the risk of being weakened and/or double-crossed as a result.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_Libya)

Turns out this was a profoundly immoral Dick Cheney & co. scheme to create a world less amenable to peace and disarmament. It's kind of a cynically genius if utterly depraved and psychotic masterstroke to have made. It's literally a world-destroying sort of mad scheme intended to generate situations similar to Iran and North Korea today. This is a part of why it must never be permitted to succeed. Monstrosities like Nixon and Dick Cheney do not get to author the world or destinies of humanity, and it's completely obscene to even imagine if they could. Words fail. World destruction is beyond spiritual degradement on even a mass scale. It's some new magnitude of evil.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:00 am 
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During the 2011 NATO intervention in Libya, Gaddafi tried using Libya's voluntary disarmament to convince NATO to cease its Libya operations. At the same time, Gaddafi's son Saif and others in the Libyan government expressed their regret about Libya's previous disarmament. It was speculated in the media ... that NATO's 2011 intervention in Libya (which led to Gaddafi's overthrow and killing ...) would make Iran, North Korea, and possibly other countries more reluctant to give up their nuclear programs and/or nuclear weapons due to the risk of being weakened and/or double-crossed as a result.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_Libya)

You conveniently forgot to mention WHY Gaddafi gave up his nukes, then you forgot to mention who rewarded him by starting yet another war (or conflict or contingency operation, or whatever you liberals call bombing another country and killing it's leader without calling it war).

You should ask yourself what Obama would have done that could have made Gaddafi give up his nuke program in the first place. Probably a speech would have done it, right? :lol:

You're consistently vague on these kind of issues and your answers to the problems are rarely, if ever, expressed. In your utopian dreamland, how would the world look in 10 years if the US dismantled every nuke and allowed the world to come in and verify? In your mind, would this deter the bad actors of the world to stop their nuclear ambitions or would it embolden them to continue and even increase their nuke programs?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:28 am 
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Slickgreen wrote:
ChromaKey wrote:
During the 2011 NATO intervention in Libya, Gaddafi tried using Libya's voluntary disarmament to convince NATO to cease its Libya operations. At the same time, Gaddafi's son Saif and others in the Libyan government expressed their regret about Libya's previous disarmament. It was speculated in the media ... that NATO's 2011 intervention in Libya (which led to Gaddafi's overthrow and killing ...) would make Iran, North Korea, and possibly other countries more reluctant to give up their nuclear programs and/or nuclear weapons due to the risk of being weakened and/or double-crossed as a result.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_Libya)

You conveniently forgot to mention WHY Gaddafi gave up his nukes, then you forgot to mention who rewarded him by starting yet another war

Oh? You also conveniently forgot to mention any of those things even as you tried to cite them. Edify us. Why did Gaddafi give up his nukes in your seemingly non-credible and solipsistic opinion if not "to resolve its nuclear crises with the United States aiming to uplift the sanctions against Libya," as the article, which I inconveniently in fact actually forgot to fail to mention stated in black and white? What war involving Muslims or the Middle-East is not connected directly to fires wrongfully lit by the war criminals Cheney and Bush in collusion with a completely-depraved Saudi Arabia and other dark immoral operators?


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:35 pm 
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If you don't answer my questions, don't then expect me to answer yours.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:52 pm 
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I don't know, perhaps in another twenty years I'll find the wisdom to understand what I should do here, but I'm sure onlookers can appreciate the quandaries. Ultimately, I want to live in the 21st century with my peers, and other people seem hellbent on living in the 19th century and dragging everyone against their will in that direction. You can't make choices like that that impact other people's lives for them. It's degrading. Its rape.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:23 am 
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....and dragging everyone against their will..., ..... make choices like that that impact other people's lives for them. It's degrading. Its rape.


LOL I just spit coffee on the monitor. You freakin love government making choices for YOU (and me) when it was something you already planned on doing or agree with. It works both ways, when you give up your freedom... bend over and enjoy. duh.


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