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 Post subject: Re: Players take a knee
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:03 pm 
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Here's where we sort out the citizens from the fascist 5th column. What do you value most: freedom or ritual over freedom. It's all quite recursive since the Civil Religious ritual is supposedly about the symbol of the freedom we're elevating so highly. And yet, some people don't seem to actually understand what it is that they're supposed to be cherishing here. They elevate instead the ritual and the submission. It's disgusting. It's some weird distorted authoritarian thing with them, like a fetish for Nazi pageantry. Should the state replace God?


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 Post subject: Re: Players take a knee
PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:31 am 
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The Broncos say none of their 22,000 season ticket holders have turned in their tickets yet. Bummer for those on the waiting list. Direct TV is offering to let fans cancel their Red Zone NFL viewing packages.

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 Post subject: Re: Players take a knee
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:31 pm 
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His demeanor reminds me somehow of Putin: bone, skin, and shark.

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Trump says he directed Pence to walk out of game if 49ers protested during national anthem
WashingtonPost, By Cindy Boren, October 8 at 2:39 PM

The plan had been for ... Mike Pence to attend the Indianapolis Colts game at which Peyton Manning’s number is to be retired, a gala celebration of the former Colts quarterback’s contributions to Pence’s home state.

The former governor of Indiana and his wife, wearing a Manning No. 18 jersey, left Lucas Oil Stadium after the national anthem, following instructions from (Donald J) Trump after a number of San Francisco 49ers players took a knee during the anthem.

“I asked @VP Pence to leave stadium if any players kneeled,” Trump posted on Twitter. “I am proud of him and @SecondLady Karen.”

“I left today’s Colts game because ... Trump and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem. At a time when so many Americans are inspiring our nation with their courage, resolve, and resilience, now, more than ever, we should rally around our Flag and everything that unites us,” he said in a statement.
(full article) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/10/08/vice-president-pence-walks-out-of-colts-game-over-49ers-national-anthem-protests/

Hopefully this alleviates any lingering confusion about whether or not Pence is a likely fascist traitor to the US Constitution and an irredeemably willing Trumpist collaborator. It would not be sufficient to impeach Donald J Trump; therefore, Pence must also be taken out of play completely as part of any such motion.

Pence and Trump level their uncivil accusations against players, demagogically ascribing divisive motive to the players who bend a knee in true most-credible respect to the US Constitution and vets. The jingoistic false patriotism of nationalism and fascist Civil Religious rituals such as the fascist military-industrial complex's National Anthem would seem anew to try and displace civil culture with such democracy-degrading displays of submission and enslavement to fascistic state will. What higher affront could there be to soldiers who laid down their lives believing that they were fighting against such fascism in defense of liberty and equality than this monstrously-traitorous ideological maneuver. People should turn their backs on the ceremony, in addition to taking their knee and elevating God, her US Constitution itself, and holy clear-minded raw natural cold-pressed truth, instead.


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 Post subject: Re: Players take a knee
PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:12 pm 
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The NFL owners are debating requiring players to stand for the National Anthem. This boycott must be hurting them in the pocketbooks.

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 Post subject: Re: Players take a knee
PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:50 am 
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Or they're being pressured by the US Federal government. Do you suppose, having paid for the ritual Civil Religious ceremony to be included in these events, the Department of Defense is now demanding they conform to their paid preference. If true, this would of course be a classic example of how fascism can be a public-private collusion to undermine civil liberty.

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How the NFL sold patriotism to the U.S. military for millions
ThinkProgress, by Melanie Schmitz, Sep 25, 2017

What the president failed to acknowledge in his rant was that many of the military displays present at NFL games were, at one time, financed by the government. Rather than organic, wholesome expressions of patriotism — the kind Trump has claimed NFL players are disrespectfully protesting — the tradition of players standing for the national anthem is a recent tradition that may have coincided with a marketing ploy meant to sell cheap, manufactured nationalism.

As recently as 2015, the Department of Defense was doling out millions to the NFL for such things as military flyovers, flag unfurlings, emotional color guard ceremonies, enlistment campaigns, and — interestingly enough — national anthem performances. Additionally, according to Vice, the NFL’s policy on players standing for the national anthem also changed in 2009, with athletes “encouraged” thereafter to participate. Prior to that, teams were not given any specific instructions on the matter; some chose to remain in the locker room until after opening ceremonies were completed. (It’s unclear whether the policy change was implemented as a direct result of any Defense Department contracts.)

In 2015, Arizona Sens. Jeff Flake (R) and John McCain (R) revealed in a joint oversight report that nearly $5.4 million in taxpayer dollars had been paid out to 14 NFL teams between 2011 and 2014 to honor service members and put on elaborate, “patriotic salutes” to the military... Among the more wasteful expenditures were a payment to the Atlanta Falcons to have a National Guard member sing the national anthem and a payment to the Minnesota Vikings for the “‘opportunity’ to sponsor its military appreciation night.”

Overall, the Defense Department spent at least $10.4 million on “marketing and advertising contracts with professional sports teams” across the board between 2012 and 2015, although, the report noted, the department “[could not] accurately account” for the full number of contracts and payouts it had awarded. “It only reported 62 percent (76 of 122) of its contracts and 70 percent ($7.3 million) of its spending in its response to our inquiry,” the senators wrote.
(full article) https://thinkprogress.org/nfl-dod-national-anthem-6f682cebc7cd/

The whole thing seems completely sinister and toxic, contributes to the US national debt.


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 Post subject: Re: Players take a knee
PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:16 am 
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Do whatever you want on your own time you have a right to say whatever you want. But they have every right to tell them to stand during the national anthem if they are employees. Really the point here is they changed their mind because the people are not giving the money anymore because of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Players take a knee
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:06 pm 
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Roy Moore claims "it's against the law" for players to kneel during national anthem
CBSnews, By Kathryn Watson, October 18, 2017

(Roy) Moore, the ultra-conservative former judge who was first forced out of the Alabama Supreme Court for refusing to obey a court order to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments, and was forced out of the court a second time for directing judges to enforce a ban on same-sex marriages that was ruled unconstitutional, continued to push the culture war begun by President Trump... Moore, the ... Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Alabama, claims NFL protesters who kneel during the national anthem are violating federal law.

Moore, in an interview with TIME.com published Wednesday, made the case that NFL players — and conceivably, anyone else — who fails to stand and put their hands over their hearts when the "Star-Spangled Banner" is played is not only unpatriotic, but a law breaker.

"It's against the law, you know that?" Moore told the magazine. "It was a act of Congress that every man stand and put their hand over their heart. That's the law." But, is it really illegal? Moore could be referring to a section of U.S. Code stipulating that during the national anthem, members of the military should salute, and "all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart..."

Catherine Ross, a law professor at The George Washington University Law School who specializes in constitutional law, had a simple answer when asked if there's any valid interpretation that it's illegal to kneel for the national anthem: "None at all," Ross told CBS News.

The key word in that section of code is "should," according to Eugene Volokh, a law professor and First Amendment expert at the UCLA School of Law.

"It's not clear to me that 36 U.S.C. 301 was ever meant to be legally binding — it says what people 'should' do rather than what they 'shall' or 'must' do," Volokh told CBS News. Generally speaking, Volokh said, legal precedent holds that "should" indicates a recommended, but not required, course of action, unlike the obligatory connotation of the word "shall." "But if it did aim at being legally binding, the First Amendment would prevent it from being enforced," Volokh added. "The court held in West Va. Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette (1943), held that even public school students can't be required to salute the flag; likewise, people can't be required to stand at attention, put their hand over the heart, or remove their hats during the national anthem."
(full article) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roy-moore-claims-its-against-the-law-for-players-to-kneel-during-national-anthem/

This is a full-on fascist bum-rush against the gates of our liberal democracy. Their total commitment is breathtaking, is it not?


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 Post subject: Re: Players take a knee
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:45 pm 
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The NFL had the chance this week to force the players to stand, but they choose to punt the ball so to speak. Ratings are down. I wonder if the boycotters will continue their campaign. Lots of other neat stuff to do this fall then watch four hours of TV on Sunday afternoons.

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 Post subject: Re: Players take a knee
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I do appreciate all the attention it has called upon "President" Woodrow Wilson and 1917. Holy crap, how did America let themselves be hoodwinked like that? It was real sordid divide-and-conquer, that one. Totally illegitimate.


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